tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2730636855717448971.post8538182444619801351..comments2023-06-10T03:06:39.748-06:00Comments on In These Gay Mormon Shoes: ARG: Elder Oaks & Elder Wickman on SGA - Part 7Jonathan Adamsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03888679384571699094noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2730636855717448971.post-53783571570411046722010-12-27T04:11:35.849-07:002010-12-27T04:11:35.849-07:00I'm right with Gay Mormon on both his points a...I'm right with Gay Mormon on both his points and emotional response. I make very similar points in my book (http://bradcarmack.blogspot.com/2010/10/homosexuality-straight-byu-students.html). I discuss the electroshock therapy, the Oaks/Wickman address, and have an entire chapter on mutability.mistahdoomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10565026922565152435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2730636855717448971.post-49297142872232449432010-12-24T13:33:42.037-07:002010-12-24T13:33:42.037-07:00Thank you, gay Mormon, for the most realistic ackn...Thank you, gay Mormon, for the most realistic acknowledgement I have yet seen in your blog of the complicity of Mormon leaders at the highest level in demonizing their LGBT members, and in trivializing the complaints of those who protest such treatment. But did you mention, Dallin Oaks was President of BYU from 1971 to 1980? Was aversive therapy (to “cure” homosexuality) not practiced at, or recommended by, the university under his leadership? From the accounts I’ve read, I very much doubt that. So of course Oaks refuses “to take responsibility for abusive therapies” when they were almost certainly practiced under his nose, and quite possibly with his prior knowledge and approval.<br /><br />I have no doubt you can cite references that demonstrate the utter hypocrisy of the Oaks-Wickman position on this issue. I hope you will eventually do so for the benefit of your readers.Borishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08301257622338317594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2730636855717448971.post-45503473057964384492010-12-23T07:09:16.182-07:002010-12-23T07:09:16.182-07:00Has anybody wondered why Oakes, an apostle, chose ...Has anybody wondered why Oakes, an apostle, chose Wickman, a member of the second quorum of the Seventies at the time, although at all times Chief Counsel of the Church, as he will continue to be even after he was released this past October. Why would Oakes need anybody to express the policies of the Church with him, in the first place, and why Elder Wickman, in the second place. Let me just answer in this way: he has 5 children in his immediate family; the first four were all boys back to back, and what does that combination make the fourth boy practically guaranteed, and quite appropriate to this discussion? Your first answer is, no doubt, the right one, and that is why Elder Wickman was chosen to be involved with this policy statement. And, by the way, the fourth son was never cast out, but was as loved and accepted (although quietly) as you were, unknown-named-one. It was almost as if Elder Wickman had to prove himself to the brethren here, which he succeeded at, because he is still held in high regard by them. Interesting, no? Does not that little fact color his comments just a bit?Steven Lesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01285355643172321289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2730636855717448971.post-48314785990678949482010-12-22T21:07:13.475-07:002010-12-22T21:07:13.475-07:00It really does seem like they pay attention to the...It really does seem like they pay attention to the questions they want to address and completely ignore other ones that do actually matter. And personally, while I do have control over my actions, finally opening up and accepting myself, all of myself, has made me happier than I have been in years. And people see that. <br /><br />It was the constant self-hate and feeling like I was never good enough that made me miserable. So yes, I am choosing to not try to change, but I'm happier for it.Tyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04181605297903037116noreply@blogger.com